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Bonnie Nicholas's avatar

The question you're asking, did the majority of Christians . . . may be problem in this reasoning I think. Will a majority of Christians ever do anything? Chrisitanity doesn't work in majorities - it works at the margins, in solidarity - in people like: St. Teresa, William Wilberforce, MLK Jr, John L Lewis, Louis Pasteur, Joseph Lister and in educators, artists and writers too countless to mention. These people changed the world. I think there IS a baby in the bathwater, but I wouldn't look for it in the majority.

Joshua Vis's avatar

You want the exceptions to be the rule. I don’t find that argument to be persuasive. I’m looking at the majority witness of the church, not the few notable exceptions.

Bonnie Nicholas's avatar

Yet . . . something, or someone, gave those people, who were exceptions, their courage and strength to keep swimming against the current. I’m wondering why you are looking for rules to follow, and if you think life can be defined by them; and also whether a finite human mind can ever understand them..

Joshua Vis's avatar

There is so much that is mysterious about existence. It’s part of the charm. It keeps us curious and humble (hopefully). I do not find our gods to be a persuasive or healthy response to that mystery. Rather, I am trying to radically accept reality as it is. I see no gods in reality. Lastly, I’m not looking for rules or dogma anymore. I do want to find a way of being in the world that includes risk, love, joy, justice, and authenticity. And I know that I’ll never have all the answers that I would like. That’s part of the work of acceptance for me.

Bonnie Nicholas's avatar

I could agree with everything you say, except it seems that , for me, it’s always in the mystery where I meet God. Stay processing my friend.

Joshua Vis's avatar

Thank you! You too!